Overleg:Darkelectro

Dark Electro was a term used in germany to describe the music of yelworc, placebo effect or mortal constraint - (not leæther strip). The other bands in the article (like hocico, grendel, aslan faction) are a newer form of 'elektro' influenced by the techno of the 90's. They're not really Dark Electro...

They are now. Check the EBM related webzines.

Webzines are not reliable sources. Use your brain & your sense of hearing.

I have those CDs here. I don't think they are darkelectro. fact is that the name Darkelectro is given to the bands described in this piece. I never heard someone call yelworC darkelectro, though i know that band since 93. But i don't live in Germany and this is not the german wikipedia. I know germans call "EBM" "Electro". Personally i rather have this style of music called "Harsch-EBM" because there is already a musical style called Electro. But unfortunately everyone uses "Darkelectro" instead.

I have magazines (new life, glasnost, zillo & more - no webzines) from the late 80's and the early 90's. The first mention of the term dark electro is from 1991/1992 (yelworc, arcana obscura, placebo effect...). In other zines dark electro is called electro-dark or electro-dark-synthesis etc. So the origin of this term is definitively in the early 90's for a hand full of electronic-acts in the footsteps of yelworc (e.g. tri-state, disharmony, seven trees etc.)

The music of Leæther Strip was called hardcore electro in germany & switzlerland (used about 1990/91, maybe its identical to your Harsh EBM), because, the music was hard, not really dark. Distorted vocals & harsh beats - without a techno-influence. The techno influence came through acts like Funker Vogt, Hocico etc. In my opinion, thats a new style of electronic music. Not really the original hardcore electro-sound.

I know, it's the netherlands wikipedia, but i think, every wikipedia should be an international wikipedia. In my opinion, every kind of information is important. Scene differences between european countries, different style-terms etc. It can be interesting for the readers.

It interests me why you - on a Netherlands Wikipedia site -:

1. want to be an anonymous editor
2. don't try to write in Dutch. ^Verrekijker_{tot overleg bereid} 8 mrt 2006 15:51 (CET)

This is completely irrelevant. Don't care about my identity and start to use my informations. --87.122.24.9 17 feb 2007 22:42 (CET)

I am new in this discussion, and as this is in English, I will continue it thus. (I hope I'm doing nothing wrong by just adding my view here on this page) The reason is simple: the rather astonishing mistake to associate dark electro with hellectro etc The starter of this page was quite right in pointing that out Moreover I myself tried, a few days ago, to correct this view and only minutes afterwards, the mistaken information was restored. This is such a shame and damages wikipedia's credibility - just my two pieces ;-)

The information on this page is correct. Darkelectro and Hellektro are one and the same thing. I have NEVER heard the phrase darkelectro prior to the coming of the so called "Suicide commando" clones. And i am a lover of EBM since 1985. Furthermore: i know quite a lot of these bands personally, and they all use the phrase "Darkelectro" or "Harsch EBM". Most of them despise the phrase "Hellektro" by the way. My information is based on what the bands themselves say, and not on what someone who is still stuck in the 80's days says. The information on the German wiki is false imho. Unfortunately my Germin is to bad to correct it, but if i hear the trem "aggrotech" i have heard that term describing bands like "A grumh" and "Sigmund und sein freund" back in 1990.Djkrat

I disagree completely :-) , aggrotech is not the same as dark electro. As to myself, I also like a lot of aggrotech bands, so this has nothing to do with being stuck in the 80s, but simply with providing correct information. I know that some "hellektro" bands do not like terms like hellektro, but that does not change the facts. If Michael Jackson wants to label his music as death metal, that does not make his music death metal. Moreover, a very simple test can prove that the information here is simply wrong: the French and Spanish wikipedia's remain vague on the electro scene, and seem to label everything as some sort of EBM. But the Italian, British ànd German wikipedia's (!!!) all distinguish between dark electro and its offspring genre "aggrotech" or "hellektro". Does that not slightly undermine your position ? ;-) If corrections cannot be made, wikipedia loses its goal. In any case, as for me, I rest my case here.

It does not undermine my position in the least. I don't know who exactly wrote those articles on the German and English pages, but to me they sound like they are written by people without good knowledge of the music. I have NEVER heard the term "Aggrotech" in Germany. When i speak to my German DJ collegue's about Darkelectro, they all know what i mean. Hocico, Suicide Commando, Grendel, etc. They regard Project Pitchfork as a Darkwave band, and that is just what it is. Same goes for England. DJ's at slimelight know what i mean when talking about darkelectro. Same as in Germany. Most of then don't even know who yelworC is!

Some proof?

http://www.darkelectro.net/board/index.php?sid= http://www.last.fm/tag/dark+electro http://www.kindamuzik.net/achtergrond/va/donkere-ondergronder-een-kwartaal-in-gothicmuziek http://www.myspace.com/anthalia

When i look for Aggrotech i see exactly the bands named which are named Darkelectro on the last FM page. So aggrotech and Darkelectro are one and the same style of music, like hellektro and harsh-EBM. I will add aggrotech to the page, since some people are inclined to naming this kind of music in this way, but it is still darkelectro to me, and everybody here in the Netherlands. This still is the dutch Wiki you know, and Hellektro and Aggrotech are terms which are not used for this kind of music in the Netherlands. I don't know for Belgium, but i never heard Hive from Vampire party use the term "aggrotech" as well, so i suspect it is the same there. Djkrat